The Proverbs 31 Ministries Podcast

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Kaley Olson: Hi, friends. Thanks for tuning into the Proverbs 31 Ministries Podcast where we share biblical truth for any girl in any season. I'm your host, Kaley Olson. And today I'm here with my friend and my co host Shae Hill. Hey, Shae.

Shae Hill: Hey, Kaley. I'm happy to be with you today. And I'm so excited for this conversation for our listeners. We dive into this conversation with Laura about comparison, and it was just such a good reminder that this is something that we have to decide today and then decide tomorrow to not fall into the trap of. It's something that I can look back on in seasons of my life and see that trend of comparison come up, and I feel like as we grow older, it's a continuous decision to not fall into that trap and to really build each other up in the kingdom of God.

And also, we have a really fun conversation about how to find out what we're good at, which was really fun for me to to hear from her. So, so excited for this conversation today.

Kaley Olson: Yeah. Same. And guys, before we let you listen to today to today's episode, we want to remind you or let you know about She Speaks 2025.

This year, She Speaks is a two day conference experience on July 25 that's more affordable than ever before. Shae and I have been part of the process of planning. Really, our whole team at Proverbs 31 Ministries is involved in building the She Speaks experience every year, and we've got a lot of new and fresh, exciting things happening, but we're also really inviting people who might not necessarily be writers or speakers. Like, let's talk about that for just a second. In the past, She Speaks has always been, like, I'm wanting to write a book, or I'm wanting to, like, get up on stage and speak.

But, She Speaks is for so much more than that this year. And I think today's episode on really finding out what you're good at and where you're called to serve, is a great, episode that aligns with our vision for She Speaks. So, Shae, I'm kind of putting you on the spot, but is there anything that you're particularly excited about for She Speaks this year?

Shae Hill: Yeah. I mean, I think, honestly, I see myself in the target audience of who I hope to look out in the audience of She Speaks 2025 and see this year. I wouldn't say that I'm someone that, you know, is eager to hop on a stage and teach or is looking to publish a book. But as I look at my life and the days ahead, I do want to use the gifts that God's given me, the talents He's given me, the days He's given me to make an impact on Earth. And so I feel encouraged that I can look out at the She Speaks experience this year and see myself in that mix. And so, if that resonates with you, I'd love for you to join me.

I think it's a great opportunity for anyone that is doing honestly anything in their community, in their local church, in a local ministry, in your home. Any way that you're serving is ministry, and I do believe that's true. And we would just love to come alongside you and encourage you in whatever ministry looks like in your world.

Kaley Olson: Yeah, absolutely. And we, our team worked really, really hard on building workshops that you can pick and choose from to make your own customized schedule because we know that everybody coming has this unique passion.

And so I'm excited that it's gonna kinda look like a different conference experience for everybody, yet everybody is gonna be there because everybody is called to serve and build each other up. I'm so excited about it. You guys can learn more or grab your spot today at shespeaksconference.com.

Shae Hill: Alright, friends, let's dive into today's episode.

Kaley Olson: Well, we are so excited to welcome our friend Laura Smith to the show today.

Y'all heard from Laura a few months ago. Just a reminder about who she is. Laura is a best selling author, speaker, Bible teacher, podcaster, wife, and mama of four kids who we just found out, who are all kind of in the late teenager, early adulthood stage. Such a fun age. And I kinda want Laura to be like an adopted mom of mine after this.

Maybe we can talk about that afterwards because I wanna go on a trip with her. Last time we talked with Laura, we heard a teaching from her on how to slow down when life can't stop, and it resonated with so many of you. We're so excited that she's back. Laura, we are looking forward to hearing the message you're sharing with us today, so why don't you go ahead and take it away.

Laura Smith: Thank you so much for having me. You just mentioned my, young adult kids, and I actually got to chat with both of my daughters yesterday, which was such a gift for this mama. My oldest daughter lives in Nashville, which is five hours from me. And my younger daughter is in a study abroad program right now, so she's in Prague, and she's 1,400 miles away. So when I get to talk to either of them, it totally lights up my day, makes my day. And when I get to talk to both of them, it's just, like, best ever.

I love to talk to my girls about everything. I wanna hear about what they made for dinner and about the challenges they're facing in their day and how they're trying to figure them out. I wanna talk to them about the silly little thing that happened, just the story they wanna share. I wanna hear all of it. And when I get to talk to both of them in one day, it really helps me remember what god thinks of us because my girls are so different from each other.

One of them loves to wake up early. The other would sleep until noon if she could. One of them loves to eat adventurously, and the other is definitely a mac and cheese kinda girl. Thank you very much. One of them calls herself an introvert who doesn't want any attention on her, and the other is an extrovert who literally got an entire coffee shop to sing happy birthday to my husband by standing up and, like, raising her arms and saying to everybody.

So they're so different, but I get off the phone with them, and I am just so thrilled they reached out. And I never ever ever think, oh, I wish one of them was more like the other. And this is how God is with us. Right? Like, when we reach out to him in prayer or by reading the bible or in worship, when we get in touch with God and he's always there waiting, like, I always answer my girls' calls, he is just so thrilled that we reached out, and he wants to hear about all of it.

He wants to hear our challenges of the day and our highlights of the day and the silly thing that we just wanna share with somebody and the thing that we don't know who else we would share it with. And he never ever says, oh gosh. I wish Laura was more like Shae, or I wish Shae was more like Kaley. Like, he just says, oh my gosh. I'm so glad my daughter called.

And I love that so much about him, and I just like I said, when I talk to my girls, it reminds me. My girls became sisters the moment that Mallory was born because then there were two of them, but they didn't become this official brand that they have for themselves of two sisters until much later in life. It all happened in the spring of 2020 when the world as we knew it kinda shut down. My older daughter, Maddie, was in college, and her whole university got sent home to finish the semester online. And the girls found themselves all of a sudden sharing their childhood bedroom again.

And the girls had always gotten along great. They were really close, and they loved each other well, but they're five years apart. So when Maddie was in sixth grade, Mallory was in first grade. And when Mallory was starting high school, like, Maddie was already established in college. They were just in different life stages.

But now now they found themselves with their social lives canceled and their soccer practices and soccer games canceled and not even being able to go to school to see other people. They became not only roommates, but they became each other's, partners to practice their soccer together. They became each other's social lives, and they became each other's best friends. It was so beautiful to watch how their different personalities actually complemented each other and brought each other so much joy. I love how Paul talks about this in his letter to the church of Galatia.

Galatians 5:26 in the message translation says, we will not compare ourselves with each other as if one of us were better and another worse. We have far more interesting things to do with our lives. Each of us is an original. And these original personalities of my girls are just delightful to watch when they combine. That same season, they were actually trying to earn some money.

And since everything was shut down, my husband and I hired them to do some odds and ends around the house. One day, I went outside. They were mulching and weeding a flower bed, and they both had on this same gray Miami University T shirt and these black Nike shorts. And I made some joke about them twinning, and Mallory spit back out fast as lightning. It's our uniform, two sisters landscaping, and this is the moment when the two sisters brand was born.

They went on in that same season to become two sisters deck staining. And when I had a book launch that summer, they became two sisters book marketing company. And when my birthday rolled around, the girls who had been watching The Great British Baking Show every night in their room before they went to sleep and had been itching to try to make their own homemade buttercream, made me the most delicious, delectable chocolate cake complete with piped flowers and happy birthday, mom written in frosting across the top. It was so cool to see how their differences actually work together in these scenarios. Figuring out how to stay in a deck, they had to problem solve.

They've never done that before. One of them would Google something. One of them would Google something else. One of them would look at it from one angle. One would look at it from the other.

And together, they figured these things out. On a day when one of them wasn't motivated to do the work, the other one would play some fun music, set incentives, and actually get her sister excited about their plans for the day. When one of them was taking their work too seriously, the other one would crack a joke that would have them both laughing so hard they would have tears rolling down their face. Their different personalities complemented each other and made them better together. It reminds me so much of two other sisters whose names both start with m, Mary and Martha from the bible.

You may know them as friends of Jesus or sisters of Lazarus. We can learn so much from the women of the bible. These two gals were sisters also, and they are seen in both the gospel of Luke and the gospel of John. And in both of these gospels, there are scenarios where the sisters are hosting Jesus in their house for a meal and presumably some other people too. We see in both scenarios Martha working in the kitchen, preparing a meal, serving people.

And in both scenarios, we see Mary at Jesus's feet. The girls are different. They have different personalities because that's how God created them. And in one of the scenarios, Mary is at Jesus's feet, like, hanging on every word of his teaching. And in the other scenario, we see her actually breaking open this really expensive bottle of, like, designer perfume and anointing Jesus' feet with it.

And that seems like a strange thing for you or I to do, but in their culture, you often would wash a guest's feet when they entered your home. They had been traveling on dusty roads and sandals. We even see Jesus washing his disciples' feet later in the book of John. But to do it with this expensive perfume would have been such a luxury, something reserved for the most incredible amazing situations. Now in both of these times when the gals are hosting Jesus over for dinner, we can sit back and kind of picture everybody just complimenting Martha left and right.

So in their Hebrew culture in that time period, hospitality was everything, and Martha was winning at it. She was the hostess with the mostess, and I can imagine the different guests coming in and being like, oh my gosh, Martha. Whatever you're cooking, it smells amazing. And as they're eating the meal, Martha, this is so delicious. Can I have the recipe?

And maybe even as she refills somebody's cup. Oh, Martha, you're just the best hostess. Like, you it's like you knew I needed some more water. Like, Martha is winning. Everybody knows she's winning.

Everyone is complimenting her. Now on the other hand, Mary is doing something that is not typical for their culture, but she's doing exactly what Jesus wants her to be doing. She gets criticized. So Martha's getting all the accolades, and Mary is being criticized. In the gospel of John, Judas criticizes her saying, how could you waste all that money, that expensive perfume on Jesus's feet?

Like, what a waste of resources. And in the gospel of Luke, Martha actually criticizes Mary saying, hey. Like, can't you help me out in the kitchen here? And I love this so much. Jesus stands up for Mary in both situations.

I think it's so important for us to note that for two reasons. One, often we will be serving Jesus as he calls us to do, and it might look strange to the world. It might look strange to a friend or a family member or someone in authority over us. It might not seem normal or the traditional way of doing things, and Jesus will stand up for us. When the world criticizes us, if we are walking with Jesus, he will stand up for us every single time.

I'm so grateful. The other thing that this points out to us is that there is more than one way to serve Jesus. Christ the Lord. Right? Like, Martha was serving Jesus in a beautiful, wonderful, accepted, lovely, amazing way, and so was Mary.

And that's such good news for all of us because it means that you don't have to serve like she serves or she serves or she serves. Right? You could be like Martha and be a great hostess and always have all of the family gatherings, Thanksgiving, Christmas, everything in your home. Maybe you just find all the neighborhood kids always gathered around in your kitchen. Maybe you make the treats for the school parties or the meals for the meal train for a sick neighbor or someone who just had a baby.

You are serving Jesus. You are being the hands and feet of Jesus. Or maybe you're like Mary and you're using your financial resources to fund some charities or churches, some things that are doing great kingdom work. You are being the hands and feet of Jesus. Maybe you are using your gifts, talents, knowledge you have to coach somebody or mentor someone.

You are building the kingdom of God. Maybe you are serving in your neighborhood or in your own home or globally. You are serving the kingdom of God. There's not a right or wrong way to do this. In fact, we're all supposed to be originals.

We're all supposed to do it the way that Jesus has created us. And I think this is such a great reminder that you and I can bravely serve Jesus, not like that gal does, but how he is uniquely calling us to do it. See, Jesus created Mary, and he created Martha. And he made them differently on purpose because he knew that together, their differences would complement each other, bring out the best in each other, encourage, challenge, motivate each other. He knew their differences would actually help them serve people in their home together and deal with the devastating death of their brother together.

We hear when Lazarus dies that the two sisters, Mary and Martha, send Jesus a message. When Jesus arrives on the scene and raises Lazarus from the dead, how are the sisters gonna deal with that? They have each other. They can do it better together. And and can I just say, like, how awesome that they are different and they didn't have to do it all?

This means you and I don't have to do it all either. Can you imagine if Mary was trying to anoint Jesus's feet and also be serving the guests? Would she have gotten perfume in the curry? Would she have gotten, stew on Jesus's toes? I don't know.

What if Martha had been trying to hear every word that Jesus said while she was serving others? Would she have been leaning over to hear something Jesus said and spilled wine on someone's brand new tunic? Or would she have had to run into the kitchen to get something and miss a really important piece of his teaching? Like, because they were different, because they could divide and conquer the activities and serve Jesus the way they were uniquely called to serve Jesus, they actually were able to do it better. All the work didn't fall on either of them just like all the work doesn't fall on you or me.

We're the best versions of ourselves when we stop trying to be like everyone else or like anyone else. I think most of us can listen to these stories and be like, oh, our daughters, Maddie and Mallory, they sound so cute. Like, it's so cute they get along like that. And maybe listening to Mary and Martha, like, oh, I hadn't thought of it that way. That's really special that they actually serve Jesus in different ways and that Jesus stood up for them, that he appreciated both of them.

But it's harder when we think about ourselves. I think most of us, if we were honest, say that we fall into a comparison trap, that we look left and right and think, oh, she serves in Sunday school every week. Maybe I should serve in Sunday school. She stays late to put the chairs away every time. Maybe I should be doing that, when that may or may not be at all what you're called to do.

And not just in serving the church. Right? Like, in our everyday lives, we wonder why my yard can't look as good as hers or why I don't decorate my house as well as hers or why I'm not as eloquent as her, or seem to have as much wisdom as her, or why I'm not as bold as her, or why I can't bite my tongue as well as she does. We might wish we had somebody else's relationship status or body or financial status. And when we don't, we worry that we're falling behind, that we don't measure up, that we're missing something or or just simply not good enough.

But that is not true. Remember what we said about Galatians 5:36 we will not compare ourselves with each other as if one of us were better and another worse. We have far more interesting things to do with our lives. Each of us is an original. I'm so grateful that we are.

I'm so grateful that I like this kind of music and you like that kind of music, and that we order different things at the coffee shop, and that I have this passion and you have that passion, and I know these people, and you know those people. And God has put me here, and God has put you there. So so much kingdom work gets done. All of our different perspectives and talents and passions act together like the ingredients in a two sisters' cake baker's birthday cake. Sure.

We need the flour as the main substance of the cake, and some of us are that. But we also need milk and eggs to bind the cake together. We need sugar to make it sweet and salt and vanilla to add flavor, and, of course, we need frosting on top. Right? It reminds me of what Paul says in first Corinthians 12 about us being the hands and feet and eyes and ears of the body of Christ that all the parts are necessary.

I mean, a cake that was just flour, I have zero interest in. Also, a cake that is vanilla and sugar, both things I really like. If that's all that's there, that's not worth eating either. We need all the parts, all the different people, all the different varieties of humans that Jesus made to make the kingdom a beautiful, delicious, wonderful, thriving place. As I said at the very beginning, one to FaceTime or call or text from either of my daughter's lives on my day.

I could not possibly love either of them more. I love them both as fully as possible because of their unique personalities. John 11 verse five tells us that Jesus loved Martha, Mary, and Lazarus. It doesn't say he loved one of them more or less than the other. He doesn't say he wishes Mary was different or Martha was different.

He just says he loves them. See, Jesus says this about you too. In Ephesians 2:10, he says you're his masterpiece. In Genesis 1:27, we learned that you were made in God's image. In 1 Peter 2:9, it says that you are chosen and royal and holy, Just like Jesus fully loved Mary and Martha, just like I love my daughters, Jesus fully and completely loves you for exactly who you are.

You're an original. So let's just be ourselves. Amen?

Kaley Olson: Amen. Laura, that was so good. I, have a lot of thoughts about comparison because I feel like, this isn't just a social media today issue. Like, your point proves that this goes all the way back to the Bible. But I think a lot of times we can think that because social media consumes such a prominent part of our lives that all of this is fresh and it's new and it's not. But the question that I have for you is that, sometimes whenever let's say I'm having a conversation with a friend who is very obviously, like, struggling with comparison or maybe just kind of feeling, like, down on herself. I really want to be able to encourage her, but sometimes it feels fake.

Whenever I, like, I want to go back to the Bible and what God says about her. I want to just, like, really, really lift her up, but it just feels, for lack of a better term, cheese balls every single time. And so I wanna know from you, like, maybe you've had to do with this with your daughters or maybe you've had to do this with a friend, like, how do we, when a friend comes to us who is just, like, wounded and she needs encouragement, how do we remind her of who she is and how special she is without it seeming totally fake.

Laura Smith: Yeah. No, that's fair. I think one way we can is to truly look our friend in the eyes and speak truth and life over her, like complimenting her on the specific things that she is great at like, I have seen you calm down your toddler when he's having a meltdown.

And that takes so much patience. And I know it's hard and I know you feel like you're losing your patience, but I have seen you do it and I see Jesus alive in you. I see the comfort you're giving your little boy. Right? We can tell her, I have seen you teach in the classroom before.

And the way you make your students feel seen, they're going to remember that their whole lives. Just specific thing that we know about that friend or that person, that we know Jesus made them specifically. So that we're not just like, oh no, you're great. You're loved. Not just throwing trite things at her, but specifically giving her things that we've noticed that God has given in her.

Kaley Olson: I love that. I love the language of I've seen you and then fill in the blank because to me that seems so practical. But it's also, in a way, a call for us to be the hands and feet of Jesus by paying attention to what our sisters and brothers in Christ are, like, good at and how they're thriving. That's so good, Laura.

Shae Hill: To be like a noticer of what everybody is doing because you never know when you might need to encourage her and build her up in a certain moment and being a noticer obviously requires intentionality. And one of the things that I was just thinking about as you were talking, Laura, is, comparison can lead us to such a place of distraction. Like, distracted in our minds, distracted in our thoughts, distracted in our decision making and how we spend our time.

And one of the things that I feel like you really, pointed out to me was really, like, running in your lane and, like, delighting in who God made you to be, like, that best version of yourself that you were talking about. And so do you have any practical tips or just observations maybe even from watching your daughters, but also in just your own, wisdom in your life of how can we actually find what we are good at or what God has made us to do so that we don't get distracted by what we what seems like, you know, everyone else is an expert at, but we can really start to run-in our lane and and the place God's established us in and really, like, delight and enjoy in how he made us. Any ideas there?

Laura Smith: Yeah. No. That's a great question. I think there are usually three good questions to ask if you're like, I just don't know what my purpose is. I don't know what my calling is, because you're right. Those distractions, we can easily be like, well, should I be like her? Should I be doing that?

That looks cool. That looks fun. Three good questions to ask are, what am I passionate about? Like, really, the causes in the world that make you passionate. If you see something on TV or read a book or hear a podcast or even see a news story, like, what's breaking your heart?

What is making you, like, wish things were different? What what are you passionate about? And then also, what are you good at? And then because somewhat like, I love music. I'm passionate about music.

I cannot carry a tune. So even though I love music and I love, like, how it makes me feel and I love listening to it and I love worship music, and I love going to shows. I can't carry a tune. So that is not what my calling is. Right?

Shae Hill: Likewise, Laura. I'm a playlist maker, not an instrument, you know, pickup and player. So, yes.

Laura Smith: Amen. And so grateful for the people who are playing instruments and CDs.

Shae Hill: We also need a play a good playlist every once in a while. You know? There's a place for us too.

Laura Smith: Amen. And then the third question is, is this serving God's kingdom?

So I think for myself, like, I've been a bookworm since I can remember. I loved to go to the library as a little girl. I loved to make up stories. I loved to tell stories. This is something that I'm actually good at.

And what am I passionate about? I see women who don't really believe that they're loved by Jesus. They don't really believe it. They say it, but they're not owning it and not living in it. That's what I'm passionate about.

So I want women to know. And can I use the gifts of words and stories that God has given me and this passion I have to remind women that Jesus just thinks they're the best thing? He lights up when they reach out to them. Is that good for the kingdom? I believe it is.

So this is my calling. But you have to find where those three things kind of intersect. And that is where God is calling you to be. And if you are struggling to figure it out, ask Jesus. He wants you to know.

He wants you to walk in your calling. He's not trying to hide that from you. I promise if you ask him, he will show it to you. And ask some good godly friends. Hey, I'm thinking it might be this.

I'm thinking it might be this. What have you noticed about me? What do you think I'm good at? What, like, what have you seen me be passionate about? Do you think that actually makes a difference for the kingdom?

Can you help me brainstorm how it could make a difference for the kingdom?

Shae Hill: Yeah. I think that's so good. And I love the permission that you give to, like, explore these things because I think, like you pointed out, we all need each other and actually our differences really bring out strengths in, you know, each other. And so I love that, like, permission just for our listeners today to, like, explore how God made you and to, like, really enjoy that process.

And it's never too late to jump in to answering those questions, you know?

Kaley Olson: Well, and I feel like it could change based on what season of life you're in.

Shae Hill: Totally.

Kaley Olson: And then also, like, how older like, how you grow older, you know? Like, Laura, I just think about not calling you old.

I'm just saying you are a mom of four, and your kids are older than mine are. And you right now can serve in a different way someone who is in the season that I'm in because you've been there, you know. And I think it's just really cool how God calls us to, different things in different seasons. But the list of questions that you gave was helpful. And I think would make for a really fun coffee date with a friend.

I think a lot of times, we go to coffee and we're just like, what do I talk about? But, like, how fun would that be for you to connect with your friend over coffee and be like, hey, Shae. I'm gonna answer these questions for you, and I want you to answer them for me. And let's just, like, sip on our iced caramel lattes and –

Shae Hill: I would like to do that today, Kaley.

Kaley Olson: Filling each other up. Yeah. Let's do it. Let's schedule that. That sounds so --.

Shae Hill: I like that idea too, Kaley, because it goes back to your question of, like, how can we actually build each other up and it actually means something?

Yeah. You know?

Kaley Olson: Yeah. For sure. And then I think too, Laura, you didn't say this, but I think one thing that is very crucial in a comparison conversation is, confessing it too with a friend.

Like, when you Yes. Are comparing, I think that there brings so much freedom in Amen. Giving your friend the accountability, or permission to hold you accountable. And, just be honest with her and say, I'm really struggling right now. Like, as a mom, I feel like I'm supposed to homemade all my stuff and do all this or whatever.

That would give her an opportunity to say, I've seen you do this. It's okay. You don't have to do those things as a mom, but thank you for telling me. And then she can check-in with you on those things. Okay.

So, yeah.

Laura Smith: I think it shines light on it so it's not just festering in our hearts for one thing. Like, we get it out and it helps you know, the enemy loves us to keep things in the dark. But as soon as we share it, Christ can shine light on that.

And, also, it gives our friends permission to not feel like they're perfect either. They're like, oh my gosh. I thought you were perfect. Like, I I have something some people I'm comparing to too. It just helps like, it gives everyone permission to be like, okay, let's work together to be free from this.

Kaley Olson: Yeah. 100%. Well, Laura, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. As we wrap up, we do have a few announcements. And the first thing is we want you guys to grab Laura's book, Brave Woman, Mighty God, 30 Things You Can Do.

Laura, I have a whole write up about this book, but I want to give you permission to share what, is special about this book to you in your own words. So go for it.

Laura Smith: Sure. No. ve Woman, Mighty God, 30 Things You Can Do, it is the stories of 30 women of the bible and just the crazy, powerful, life changing, world changing things they did. But as I was even saying during the teaching, we can learn so much from them. They did these things, but they did them because the power of God was within them. Which means that you and I can do these same mighty, powerful, life changing, world changing things. So I think sometimes we read them as kind of some history or some people to learn from, but what a great reminder that we too can stand up for justice and say yes and share what we have and do the crazy thing and make a difference.

Because the power of Jesus, the same power that raised him from the grave, lives in you and me, according to Ephesians 1:19.

Kaley Olson: Amen. That's so good, guys. You should grab it. It's available for you using the link in our show notes.

Shae Hill: Also, there is is a free resource that our Proverbs 31 Ministries team put together by Lysa TerKeurst and it's called Chosen, Called, and Confident, five Days of Believing God Can Use You. Using scriptural truths and personal stories, these gut honest devotions from Lysa will equip you to break free from the traps of comparison and envy like we've been talking about today by embracing the beautiful unique gifts the Lord has placed specifically inside of you. You can download this resource for free today using the link in our show notes. Lastly, we want to extend a special invitation for you to join me and Kaley and all of our friends here at She Speaks Conference 2025. This year, She Speaks is a two day conference experience on July 25 and 26 that's more affordable than ever.

And we're so excited to share that there are 24 workshops you can pick and choose from to make your own customized schedule, free fifteen minute coaching appointments where you can bring any question to an expert who wants to help you, a live stream option for COMPEL Pro members and so much more. Learn more or grab your spot today at shespeaksconference.com.

Kaley Olson: Amen. I mean, y'all, if you need some friends to build you up and your confidence about who you are and what God has called you to do, grab Laura's book and then come to She Speaks. Problem solved.

That's all for today, friends. At Proverbs 31 Ministries, we believe when you know the truth and live the truth, it changes everything.