The Proverbs 31 Ministries Podcast

Kaley Olson: Well, hello, friends. Thanks for tuning in to The Proverbs 31 Ministries Podcast, where we share biblical Truth for any girl in any season. I'm your host, Kaley Olson. I'm here today with my co-host, Victoria Smith. Victoria, I know this is not your first time to be on the podcast because you were on earlier in 2024 with Joel and Shae.

Victoria Smith: Yeah.

Kaley Olson: Talking all about exile.

Victoria Smith: Yes.

Kaley Olson: And things like that. Yeah. We like to rotate co-hosts in and out, and I was like, you know what? It's time to bring her back. Victoria Smith, welcome.

Victoria Smith: Thank you.

Kaley Olson: But now that you're here, you can just be V to all of us. Yes. Because that's what we call you at Proverbs. We just shorten it to V. Yeah. Very chic. Friends, V is here on the podcast today. We're excited, but we want to give you the opportunity to give them a sneak peek into what they're gonna learn on the show today. So.

Victoria Smith: Yes. I am so excited for this episode because our friend
Whitney Lowe is gonna dive into how scarcity can actually be a gift and a reminder. We'll also talk about some of the root causes of the scarcity mindset, and I just think it's gonna be really, really helpful.

Kaley Olson: Yeah. I really liked our conversation at the end. We dialogued a lot there. So if you are in the habit of pressing “pause” and you forget to pick back up where you left off, don't forget because there's a lot of really good content all the way through.

But before we let you listen to today's episode, I want to remind you of our free First 5 mobile app. In 2015, which is crazy — that was like 10 years ago — we created this app because we wanted to give you a way to exchange whispers with God before shouts with the world. And if you're like me and you wake up and sometimes the first thing you do is grab your phone, autopilot can take you to email or Instagram, and I know I'm not the only one who struggles with that.

So if we're going to sleep with our phones next to our bed, we might as well use them for good. Right? So download the First 5 app and start spending the first five minutes of your day in God's Word. And better yet, ask a friend to download it, too, and hold each other accountable for what you're reading.

Victoria Smith: OK, friends. Let's dive into today's episode.

Kaley Olson: OK, guys. We are so excited to welcome our new friend Whitney Lowe to the show today. Whitney, how you doing?

Whitney Lowe: I'm so good. I'm so good. You know, we're up early today. It's good for me. Feeling excited.

Kaley Olson: I know.

Whitney Lowe: Up early, ready to tackle the day.

Kaley Olson: It is early for you, because we record at 10 a.m. Eastern Time, but you are in south Denver. And so it is [early] — thank you for waking up and just joining us early this morning. But there in south Denver, you are a pastor's wife, a mom to two kids, and the author of a new book, Set Your Eyes Higher: A 40-Day Reset to Slow Your Anxiety and Fix Your Focus on God. My goodness. You've got a lot going on in your world. So thanks for taking time for us today.

Whitney Lowe: Oh my gosh. Of course. It's such an honor. I have listened to this podcast a lot of times, and it was … I don't know. It's just one of those cool “God moments” when you're like, What the heck? I get to go be on it. So thank you for having me. Yeah.

Kaley Olson: Of course.

Victoria Smith: OK, Whitney. So before we get into your teaching, I have a question for you. Well, it's kind of a two-part question. But let's just say one question: What is something that you have loved in 2024, and what is something that you're looking forward to in 2025?

Whitney Lowe: So I think I have like kind of a deep answer and kind of shallow answer to 2024. I have a 4-year-old and a 2-year-old, which is, like, so fun but also insane. And something we discovered recently is that if you get one of those, like, mini trampolines for toddlers, there are all these YouTube workouts for kids. And it, like, tells them how to jump and when to bounce. And I am telling you — living in, like, a cold climate, that has been a saving grace these last few months. Yeah.

My, like, deeper, more Christian answer is this Bible that I've been using this year. It's an NRSC Cultural Background Study Bible.

Victoria Smith: Woah.

Whitney Lowe: And just being really busy, having a little less time to dig into Bible study, it's been really cool to kind of have that information right there. So that's my little plug for that Bible that has just been kind of a saving grace as well.

Kaley Olson: That's amazing.

Victoria Smith: That's awesome.

Kaley Olson: And the other part of your question was?

Victoria Smith: Oh, right. What's something you're looking forward to in 2025?

Whitney Lowe: Well, we are just in the process of kind of going through the first trimester of my third pregnancy, and I'm due in the middle of next year. So by the time this episode comes out, I think that news will be known, but we're navigating all of those, you know, question marks and all that excitement, and it's gonna be another insane year. But I'm just super thankful.

Kaley Olson: That's awesome. Congratulations.

Victoria Smith: Congratulations. That's so exciting. Yeah.

Kaley Olson: Man, what I mean, what honestly is probably so reflective of all of our listeners right now … It's just there's never one thing that's going on. It's always balancing all of the things, whether they're new, being carried into the next year, or you're starting something brand-new and just figuring out how to fit it into your current life. We're so glad that you're here.

And I know that we're gonna get to hear a message from your book soon, but I just wanna take a minute and talk about why we do podcast episodes like this on The Proverbs 31 Ministries Podcast. We're not here just doing Q&As with authors on the show all the time. We love being able to get guests on the podcast and give you 15-20 minutes or so to just teach and share a message from your heart — because we think that it's really special for you to be able to make that connection with our listener and help her take advantage of her time, whether it's in the car or she's on a walk or listening while she's getting ready. That's one of my favorite things to do and kind of use my time.

And so we love being able to do that for our listeners and can't wait what to hear what you have to share with us today. So, Whitney, you can take it away.

Whitney Lowe: Thank you. I am really honored to be teaching on this. And actually, to your point, I think in this current season of life, I have really been wrestling with even just this message that I think God has put on my heart for today. Because as you said, like, it never ends, you know? I think when you're maybe in college, it's easy to think, like, After the semester, I'll get this long break and then we'll reset. And as you get into life and career and family, you realize, like, Oh my gosh, as soon as I get through this, there's already gonna be another thing that's in progress that has me feeling, you know, a little depleted and a little bit worried about the future, maybe a little bit of fear.

And for me, what this has really been embodied as is this mindset of scarcity. And I think that's a little bit of a cultural buzzword, so I wanna get into it. But for me, what that means is that I've always had anxiety about enough. You know? I feel like my needs won't be met. Like there isn't enough left for me. And I think most painfully, like, I, at my very core, will never be enough. Not for the people in my life, not for the expectations I have for myself, and surely not enough to garner the favor of a perfect God.

But when we go through life focused on our deficiencies, we end up anxious, unhappy, and ineffective. So you may not believe that you have enough money to live a life that you love — or maybe it's that you don't ever feel like you're doing enough to reach your goals or make the people in your life happy. Or maybe, like me, you just don't feel like you are enough, whether that's as a mom, a professional, a wife, a friend. But this mindset of “not enough,” this mindset of scarcity, can pervade many parts of our lives and the ways that we understand God's provision.

No matter what, this mindset of scarcity is the diametric opposite of the abundance that God promises us in Christ. In Jesus, we are free to look past the resources, relationships and insecurities that are constantly telling us there isn't enough, and instead we rely on His infinite power and resources to determine our steps and provide us with true joy, no matter what we're facing. The ultimate, freeing truth is this: We don't need to do, have or be enough to experience full, beautiful lives. When our eyes are fixed on Christ, He provides more than we need to live lives of abundance and purpose.

So for me, I can kind of speak to how this all started, where I really started thinking about this. I think this this consumption with scarcity really started when I entered college because I remember leaving high school feeling really confident and feeling really capable up until this point. I left on, you know, kind of a high note. I felt really established in, like, my identity as a Christian at my public school. I felt like I had performed well academically. And, you know, I just felt like life was gonna be great and easy, and I was really special, you know.

But I started school at a small Christian college, and I felt like it was in California, so that was probably part of the problem. But I showed up and I was, like, suddenly surrounded by 100 of these, like, stunningly beautiful, super athletic, super smart and Christ-loving women. And I remember looking around and feeling this, like, deep pain: There's nothing special about me here. There's absolutely nothing that makes me stand out. All of those things that made me feel unique and different and like I had an identity in high school … I was, like, way low on the totem pole here, you know? I wasn't enough.

So I remember feeling such a pressure to find some way to make myself feel better, to help me feel like I had some control, like there was something interesting, unique, special about me. And at that time, exercise and healthy eating became the means to that end. That was the way I made myself feel enough. And obviously, there's so much good about exercise and healthy eating, right? I'm not demonizing that at all. But for me, as a means of control, as a means of differentiating myself, it worked. I got the results I wanted. I felt like people were noticing me, they noticed something different about me. It gave me something to hang my identity on.

And because of that, this would be the beginning of an eating disorder that would control my life for the next several years. And here's the thing about eating disorders: It's really all about this mindset of scarcity.

Sorry — I dropped my phone. I'll repeat that. And here's the thing about eating disorders: It's all about a mindset of scarcity. I am not enough. So I will deprive my body of having enough. The goal is not to grow in health but to shrink, right? It's to get smaller, to waste away, to embrace scarcity because it feels safe. And in this season of life, my experience of abundance was warped as well because I couldn't imagine a scenario where being surrounded by good, nourishing food wouldn't stress me out. On the rare occasion I was surrounded by food — you know, like a holiday with my family or birthday dinner for a friend that I couldn't get out of — I would often find myself “indulging myself” (heavy, heavy, heavy on the air quotes) with a handful of chips. Right?

And I would eat the entire bag because my starving body took the opportunity to consume as much as possible. Because I was living in that scarcity, I got caught up in a false picture of abundance and would swing to the opposite side of this pendulum where I was, like, too full, and I was uncomfortable, and I was out of control. So abundance was terrifying because really to me, it meant I wasn't in control. But I think that's the point. We're not in control.

See, God has offered abundance to us. In Ephesians 3:19, Paul prayed that believers would “know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God” (NIV). But in order to live lives that reflect this fullness, we must first acknowledge that it can only be found in Him. We must root out all the lies we have believed about finding enough in and of ourselves.

So that means we have to reject the manipulation of consumerism, you know, because it says this lie that we need this new product to be enough. Or maybe for you, you experience a scarcity mindset when it comes to community. You know, it might sound like this church isn't good enough, or [you think,] I need to “level up” my friend group. I need to find better people. And, of course, like, there are good reasons to leave a church, find a different church that's more biblical, what have you, or to seek healthier friendships that call you higher ... but I also have been really seeing this thing in myself and in others where we're so quick to bail on relationships when they don't match this aspirational picture that we have in our heads. We have to deny that voice in our minds that says “there isn't enough left for you” when a friend finds success, whether that's in her career or in a relationship — because that's scarcity too. And we have to shift our gaze away, ultimately, from this fixation with our own ability to measure up. Because we never will, and we were never meant to. God is the only One who is enough.

And God is the only one who makes us sufficient. 2 Corinthians 3:5 says, “Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God” (NKJV). But here's the beauty: As soon as you embrace the reality that you are not enough, you get to step into the beautiful, undeserved grace of God providing abundantly anyway. God has made you enough in Himself.

He has made it so in Jesus. So now you get to live into that truth everywhere else in your life. You get to experience the abundance of needing God to meet your needs financially, relationally, vocationally, what have you, and then watching how He does it.

I just even yesterday, actually … Me and my husband had this whole moment last night because I'd been in the car on the way to a doctor's appointment, and I had been laid off from my day job that I've had for, like, 5-6 years. I was trying to kind of do all these different things. And I was on the way to this doctor's appointment, and I was, like — I kind of lost it. Like, I keep it together pretty good about this stuff most of the time. But I was, like, God, I don't know how we're gonna make this year work financially. I really don't. I need You to kind of show me what's gonna happen because now we're having this baby. And we've got all this stuff. And I was like, I don't get it. And I hadn't had, I don't think, a really like raw and vulnerable time of fear like that in a while. So I go through this whole day and hadn't thought about it. And what do you know? Later that evening, I'm looking at my email, and all of a sudden I get this notification of this deposit, this direct deposit to our bank account, that I didn't know was coming.

And it was significantly more than I was expecting. And it was just such a clear picture of, like, [God saying,] You don't need to know the answers. I will provide for you. But you need to give Me that space to show you that I can be trusted for it. And it just like, you know, right before getting to do this teaching, really just brought me to my knees again about how God will provide in these moments.

But I also think it's really essential to understand that God's abundance looks so different than the world's vision for abundance. Like, it's not the same thing. This is not a prosperity gospel teaching. So it does not mean that you will have an endless bank account, that you'll have a perfectly curated closet, that you'll get a life that looks good on social media. Like Paul talks about in Philippians 4 — which he wrote from prison, and I think that's really important to always remind people when we're talking about the passages in Philippians 4 — but it looks like peace that surpasses understanding. It looks like contentment in all circumstances. “I can do all things through [Christ] who strengthens me” (Philippians 4:13, ESV). It looks like trusting that God will meet your needs. And often it looks like surrendering that desire for picture-perfect aesthetics and excess in all things. And it looks like accepting that however God chooses to provide is more than enough.

It might look the exact opposite of what our culture would tell you. I like how Peter puts it in 2 Peter 1:3-4: “His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires” (NIV).

God doesn't promise that you will be enough. God promises that He will give you everything you need to live the life of godliness He has called you into.

But what kind of life is that? I remember in high school, I had a really, really brief, little rebellious streak where I got a little bit caught up with some of that partying that I feel like often, you know, hits in those early years of high school. You think this is how you're gonna be cool. And this is how you're gonna create that movie high school experience that everyone's talking about. And if you don't participate in the party scene, like, you're missing out on something — you're not getting some part of your youth that you're supposed to have. And long story short, because God is good, I got very caught very early in my party phase life cycle. And I got grounded for a long time because my parents were not messing around.

And I didn't have my phone. I didn't have my computer. I had my Bible. And I had, like, other books. And I just kinda remember, as that good little Christian girl at heart, I was feeling like this was such a crossroads moment. And I opened my Bible, and I'm reading the book of John, and the verse John 10:10, like, jumped off the page: “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full” (NIV). And I think of that moment as, like, a trajectory shift in my life. Because what I had to surrender to and acknowledge was this picture of a good life that culture was giving me, you know? It was like, You're gonna go party, and you're gonna kiss a bunch of boys, and you're gonna have this very specific picture of a high school experience to enjoy it. But it’s not true. Fullness, abundance and joy are found in the life of following Jesus Christ.

And in that moment, I remember saying, OK, God, I don't really get it. But if You're telling me this is full life, I'm going to follow You. I'm going to trust You. And I found this passage in John 10:10 to come back to time and time and time again: Full life, abundant life, the life that God calls you into and wants for you, is always going to look like following Jesus. It's always going to look like denying the lies of scarcity that our culture is whispering in your ear. In Jesus, we get full lives, abundant lives. The thief’s [voice] is the voice whispering scarcity into your ear, and [he’s] the one who [wants to] ultimately steal your ability to live in the fullness that God promises to provide.

Scarcity is a lie. In God's economy, in God's Kingdom, there is enough for you.

Kaley Olson: Whitney, thank you so much for just the reminder that no matter what we're facing, you're right: God is enough. And I think sometimes whenever I listen to this podcast and the teachings, I'm like, Oh, I have a question, or I have a thought or I wanna dig deeper, but I think what I'm settling with as I listen to this is ... Yeah, scarcity is a lie. But it's, in some ways, also a gift. It's a reminder that we have to rely on God.

And as I was listening to your story about being grounded — it's funny, like, whenever you're under your parents' roof, there's so much that they can do to kind of force you to stop and slow down. But it's interesting to me to think about how God, throughout certain times in my life, has also forced me in some ways … [He has] “grounded” me because He had to get my attention. And I think in some ways, realizing and getting to the bottom of ourselves, [realizing] that we are totally not enough on our own, forces us into that surrender.

Because as we walk through life, even in our human nature, our human tendency is to do it all and be it all and wake up and think, How am I going to get this done? But when we start our day like that and don't truly start empty — with, like, almost a holy scarcity mindset, if you will — that never allows God to be the One to, like, fill us. You know? And so I think it's just challenging me to use those moments where I'm tempted to say “I'm not enough” or “I don't have X, Y or Z” and not just press in, try to do it and push through but use that as an opportunity for God to really meet me where I am. And not rob others of an opportunity to fill that gap for me, you know, as the body of Christ. And so, I don't know — it's just it's really challenging me to think through those moments. Instead of pushing through, really stop and let that be an opportunity to talk it out with the Lord. So thank you for that.

Victoria, I wanna know what you're thinking or what question you have.

Victoria Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Whitney, thank you so much. This is just this is a great reminder for me even just sitting and listening to your teaching, because I can just … Gosh, I just really relate to, I mean, everything you said. Just the scarcity mindset and how it's a lens with which we can sort of view our life, you know? And as I kind of sit with it, I'm thinking, you know, even for me personally, the scarcity mindset and how you connected it to control — I just see that in my own life. Really, as I think about it, I'm like, OK, what's the root of this? And it's really, for me, that I don't like being caught off guard. Like, I love being prepared. I am like, you know — I have a list for every day, for, like, the next week out. Like, everything is kinda planned out. I really like to know what is coming, and I know that just relates to control, and that can feed into my scarcity mindset.

And it really reminds me of the Israelites in exile whenever the Lord was like, Hey, I'm gonna send down manna for you every day. Only gather enough for today (Exodus 16). You know, I will raise my hand and be the first one to say if that was me, I would 100% be gathering for the next day and the next day and the next day. Like, I'll be like, Wait, what if it's not there tomorrow? You know?

So I guess in saying all of that, I'm just curious to hear from you, Whitney: How have you in your life struck a balance between wisely preparing for what we'll call a “rainy day” versus living in a scarcity mindset? Because there's wisdom in, you know … Maybe for finances, we save for an emergency fund for when our car needs new tires or our HVAC goes out in our house, you know? That's a wise thing to save for, but where does that end? Where's that line of, OK, now I'm living in a scarcity mindset? So I'd just love to hear if you have any examples from your walk with the Lord of what that's looked like for you.

Whitney Lowe: Yeah. I think that's a really important question, and I also think it's one that most of us will never totally, like, figure out. For me, just in this season, like I said … For the first time in quite a while, we are in a little bit of a financial crossroads of having to kind of put this stuff into practice, and the rubber is hitting the road. And I think what's ultimately the most important is that this is all framed by the reminder and by the true and genuine trust that, you know, like, finances aren't the end of the story. You know, if there is $0 in your bank account and you are surrendered to what God is up to in your life, I really do believe that God operates outside of really, like, all of these things that we think are “make or break” or that our culture tells us are the defining measure of success. So I think if that's sort of the No. 1 framing reality, God's Kingdom is not about how much money is in your bank account. God's Kingdom is about obedience and faithfulness. Then from there, we can have the conversation about wisdom and saving and what it looks like to steward what God has given you well.

And this is actually, I think, a good place to maybe even talk about generosity and giving because I think that's kind of how God moderates our own desire to control and our own desire to be the boss and, like, tally all the numbers, at least when it comes to finances. If we have our hands kind of loosely around our money to the point where we feel comfortable giving it away to others and we feel comfortable being generous — maybe even a little bit past that point of comfort — that says, God, I really trust that You're the One who is going to provide.

That being said, I do think it's a matter of really just staying close to God. I think it's a matter of staying really prayerful about it and saying, “I am going to save X amount per month, and I'm gonna give X amount per month,” like percentage-wise, maybe, if that's where you're at. And then saying, God, if You need to correct this, if there's something that maybe isn't serving Your purposes for the Kingdom, for my life right now, I just pray You would correct that and You would show me.

And I do think God is faithful to do that. So at least when it comes to finances, I think that's a pretty good strategy. It's hard to say, “One size fits all — this is what you should be doing in this current phase of your life based on, you know …” Everyone's income is different. But I do think generosity is a good telltale sign. And I think making a plan and submitting it to the Lord is another really good way of doing that. And I think there are different versions of that, kind of in all these categories.

Kaley Olson: Yeah. That's good, Whitney. I think as we wrap up, I have one more kind of question or something that maybe all of us can process together. For our listener who has maybe defined “scarcity” as a financial term over the course of her life, and she's thought, Well, I'm good here in my finances, so certainly there's nothing else I'm struggling with in regard to scarcity ... I think between the three of us, I wrote down a couple of things that we've kind of admitted to, or I'll admit to.

Victoria, you said you don't wanna be caught off guard, and that's the root. You know, so the root of scarcity isn't always, like, finances.

Whitney, you said it was related to control. Was that right? Or was it wanting to be accepted? Which one was it?

Whitney Lowe: I think both.

Kaley Olson: OK. Both. I think both. Yeah. For sure. So you don't like to be caught off guard. So you're making a plan to, like, guard against that. You want to be seen as perfect or you wanna be accepted, so you do everything that you can to do that, even though you know it's never gonna be enough. Or for me, where it shows up in my life is decision-making. Yeah. Like, I hate making decisions because my scarcity mindset I have is this: I can only make one decision. And that can cause me to, like, have a lot of anxiety around what's the perfect one because there's so many really good options.

What are a few other things that we might be able to help our listener take right now and think, Oh, this is the root? Is anything coming to mind for you guys as you've maybe talked and processed with friends?

Whitney Lowe: I actually think … I kind of alluded to this in the teaching, but one that I'm seeing a lot and even just experiencing a lot is that I think so many people are, you know, very lonely right now. And we know that this is an epidemic, and that's so valid. I don't mean to say, “You're lonely and it's your fault.” That said, there is kind of a flip side where I've seen a lot of people — whether it's in dating relationships or just in, like, friendships — looking around their community and saying, “There's no one. There are no friends for me. I don't have anybody who I can connect with.” And often what I'm noticing is that it's not because there aren't people, and it's not because there aren't relationships that are available. It's because they don't look like people who are maybe in your exact stage of life or your exact age or who match this image of, you know, your friends that you've been close with in the past.

Like in my own neighborhood, right? I think I was picturing how we were gonna have all these other families that are just like us in the exact same stage — and there are some of those, but there are also neighbors who are older, who are just in a different place, who may not know the Lord. And it's not this idyllic picture of a neighborhood all the time that I thought it would be when we moved in. But those people do have something to offer. And there are ways that God will use those relationships to grow me, edify me. And I think when it comes to dating and friendships, a lot of us are lonely because we are not giving God the chance to show us the abundance in these places that might be unexpected.

So that's one that I would really highlight. Whether it's like, “There's no one to date. I'll never find anyone …” Well, maybe your metrics are being defined by the world a little bit. You're looking for a specific image. You're looking for a specific financial situation, and maybe there's something else God's trying to do there. Or if it's friendships, like, yeah, maybe you don't have your perfect best-friend relationship in this season, but there probably is someone around you who God's either calling you to serve or God's calling you to learn from, and it just doesn't totally match the picture that culture has put in your head. I think that's scarcity too.

Kaley Olson: Yeah. For sure. And that's your reminder to look down with what we have right now and just go do that and love the people around us. Victoria, I saw you writing down some things.

Victoria Smith: Yeah. Yeah. I just can certainly relate to the scarcity mindset in so many different areas. But whenever you asked the question, Kaley, I thought about this sense of energy. Like, yeah, “I don't have enough energy to do X, Y and Z” — which I can just so relate to. And certainly there are certain seasons of life where you're like, “I need to scale back on what I'm doing and take care of myself, take care of my family, and, like, invest in relationships and all that.” But I can just see a pattern in my life, and just in the world, of this sort of … I'll speak for myself, maybe not others. But I wanna be really tight-fisted and, like, hold my time and my physical energy really, really close and be stingy, honestly, with what I wanna give my energy to. I do not trust in the Lord that He is going to provide rest for me in the right time, in the season when I need it.

And our CEO, Meredith Brock, and I talk about this all the time. She has a quote on a piece of art in her home, and the quote is, “Comfort is a slow death.” And I think whenever I'm thinking about, No, I wanna hold my energy really, really tight … It's really like, Oh, I'm really just sort of a slave to my comfort and not being open handed with my time and my energy and resources. Not believing that, you know, if and when I get depleted, the Lord is so kind to give me what I need.

Kaley Olson: That's so good. And honestly, yes to that. Yeah. I think we all do that — I wrote down as another example “being overprotective of time.”

Whitney Lowe: Yeah. Yeah.

Kaley Olson: Yeah. And I think, you know, being scarce or having the scarcity mindset … Whitney, what you're really getting to is it just robs us of so many opportunities to really just let the Lord work and be our abundance in whatever it is. And so thank you so much for coming on the show. And just as our listeners are wrapping up, whatever they're doing — they're in the car, or they're getting ready, or maybe even they're gonna go meet a friend — I think one of the things I'm learning because of a recent podcast episode we did … I was challenged not just to internalize a teaching like this but to take one thing and go talk it out. Because whenever you talk it out with somebody, you make it real, and then that becomes a catalyst for change rather than just putting it in the back of your mind. And so as you've listened to the truths Whitney has presented today, friend, wherever you are, I challenge you to think about the root of where you might have a scarcity mindset and process that with a friend, and just talk to her about it.

And be honest, kinda like the three of us were, talking about being caught off guard or making decisions or even struggling, Whitney, like you said, with food. Let that be an opportunity for you to really open your heart to someone, and let them hold you accountable in that way. So that's your takeaway and action item.

But we do have a few announcements to wrap up our episode today. And so if you enjoyed learning from Whitney — I know I did — I want to encourage you to grab her book called Set Your Eyes Higher: A 40-Day Reset to Slow Your Anxiety and Fix Your Focus on God. We have linked that for you in the show notes as well as where to connect with her on Instagram.

Victoria Smith: And while you grab Whitney's book, if you're looking for another way to focus on God, then I recommend downloading our free First 5 mobile app. We created this app in 2015 to help you spend the first five minutes of your day reading a short teaching from God's Word. If you're listening in real time, we'll be jumping into the book of Acts starting March 3. But no matter when you join us and download the app, you can expect a fresh weekday teaching that helps you fix your focus and remind yourself of God's Truth. Just go to the app store on your mobile device to download it for free and create an account today.

Kaley Olson: All right, friends. What an amazing episode. Whitney, thank you so much for joining us again. It was really a treat to have you on the show. At Proverbs 31 Ministries, we believe when you know the Truth and live the Truth, it changes everything.